Veteran social-justice educator Tony Neal discusses how he established the agency Educational Equity Consultants, which has been providing social justice training for educators since 2001, and how he developed his identity as a leader doing this heart-and-hard work. Co-host Deborah Bohlmann joins in with reflection on the ways social justice training with Ed Equity influenced her practice as a white teacher. Each episode begins with a student voice and ends with resource recommendations. Recording, music, logo, and editing by Alvin Zamudio. Produced by Deborah Bohlmann.